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	<title>Comments on: Rumor &#8211; Cedar Fair Planning to Remove Arrow Looping Coasters</title>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.thecoastercritic.com/2012/11/rumor-cedar-fair-remove-arrow-looping-coasters.html/comment-page-2#comment-20679</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 May 2013 07:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I doubt Corkscrew will be removed in the next few years. It&#039;s historical, why would they get rid of it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt Corkscrew will be removed in the next few years. It&#8217;s historical, why would they get rid of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.thecoastercritic.com/2012/11/rumor-cedar-fair-remove-arrow-looping-coasters.html/comment-page-2#comment-20397</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So all of the Arrow Loopers are to be scrapped?? What about Viper at Six Flags Magic Mountain??? Hopefully i can get to Kings Island this summer to ride Vortex. i can&#039;t miss out on that ride. I think its a good idea to replace them all because they can be a pain. It&#039;s funny because the only Arrow Coaster that got saved was Kennywood&#039;s Steel Phantom. And do i miss that ride so much but atleast the ride is still here. Phantom&#039;s Revenge is a huge improvement on Steel Phantom. But i will make sure to ride the Vortex. I can&#039;t get over to Viper thats to far away but i will be sure to ride the Corkscrew at Cedar Point. Anaconda at Kings Dominion looks like i wont be able to ride that one either because its to far of a drive. But R.I.P to the Arrow Coasters. Yall served the parks very well. Steel Phantom i will never EVER!!! Forget that ride.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So all of the Arrow Loopers are to be scrapped?? What about Viper at Six Flags Magic Mountain??? Hopefully i can get to Kings Island this summer to ride Vortex. i can&#8217;t miss out on that ride. I think its a good idea to replace them all because they can be a pain. It&#8217;s funny because the only Arrow Coaster that got saved was Kennywood&#8217;s Steel Phantom. And do i miss that ride so much but atleast the ride is still here. Phantom&#8217;s Revenge is a huge improvement on Steel Phantom. But i will make sure to ride the Vortex. I can&#8217;t get over to Viper thats to far away but i will be sure to ride the Corkscrew at Cedar Point. Anaconda at Kings Dominion looks like i wont be able to ride that one either because its to far of a drive. But R.I.P to the Arrow Coasters. Yall served the parks very well. Steel Phantom i will never EVER!!! Forget that ride.</p>
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		<title>By: CJar1997</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJar1997</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the old Arrow Loopers are incredibly rough. The only place that is somewat comfortable to ride in is the very back. I disagree however with removing them. They are some of the coolest looking rollercoasters around, and an incredible part of roller coaster history. What companies need to do with them is re-track, refurbish them, and find more comfortable trains. If you can make the ride smooth and enjoyable, then people would enjoy so much more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the old Arrow Loopers are incredibly rough. The only place that is somewat comfortable to ride in is the very back. I disagree however with removing them. They are some of the coolest looking rollercoasters around, and an incredible part of roller coaster history. What companies need to do with them is re-track, refurbish them, and find more comfortable trains. If you can make the ride smooth and enjoyable, then people would enjoy so much more.</p>
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		<title>By: marty ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>marty ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m a cedar pointer.   i&#039;ve been going since i was 5,  i&#039;m 63.  i love the coasters and all the other rides.  i went with my children and now my grand children.  i can relive every eye opening moment through them.  at halloweekends it saddens me to see the ride cemetery.  so many rides are gone.  but,  it has always been rough riding on the corkscrew.   i&#039;ve ridden vortex and hated that ride from the getgo.  both of these rides gave me a headache that lasted all day long.  but on the other hand, they make other people happy and i hate to see them go. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#039;m a cedar pointer.   i&#039;ve been going since i was 5,  i&#039;m 63.  i love the coasters and all the other rides.  i went with my children and now my grand children.  i can relive every eye opening moment through them.  at halloweekends it saddens me to see the ride cemetery.  so many rides are gone.  but,  it has always been rough riding on the corkscrew.   i&#039;ve ridden vortex and hated that ride from the getgo.  both of these rides gave me a headache that lasted all day long.  but on the other hand, they make other people happy and i hate to see them go. </p>
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		<title>By: CodAce</title>
		<link>http://www.thecoastercritic.com/2012/11/rumor-cedar-fair-remove-arrow-looping-coasters.html/comment-page-2#comment-18800</link>
		<dc:creator>CodAce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can someone explain to me why parts are so hard to come by?  Doesn&#039;t Velkolma offer pretty much the EXACT same thing, and with how Arrow trains are known to have been run on Velkoma coasters, and these rides are classics, Corkscrew (CP) was the first coaster to go upside-down 3 times,Vortex was the first to go 6. But my point is that if Velkoma offers the same thing, why are parts so hard to come by, I completely understand about train parts, be how different are the wheels, lift motors, and brakes?  And hell, if the Velkoma suspended trains were fit onto an Arrow suspended coaster (Vampire at CWoA) and how Arrow trains work on Velkoma coasters, why can&#039;t the new Velkoma soft trains, you know, the ones that remove the headbanging from all reports, work on Arrow coasters?  sure they lack to classic style that the Arrow trains have (much like PTC trains on woodies and Millennium Flyers on GCI woodies), but they&#039;d also make the rides enjoyable again for ages to come, 
I could be wrong about how the parts work, I admit that I could be completely wrong, and I also admit that I don&#039;t know everything about Arrow loopers, but if you look at it that way, it doesn&#039;t make much sense, ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone explain to me why parts are so hard to come by?  Doesn&#039;t Velkolma offer pretty much the EXACT same thing, and with how Arrow trains are known to have been run on Velkoma coasters, and these rides are classics, Corkscrew (CP) was the first coaster to go upside-down 3 times,Vortex was the first to go 6. But my point is that if Velkoma offers the same thing, why are parts so hard to come by, I completely understand about train parts, be how different are the wheels, lift motors, and brakes?  And hell, if the Velkoma suspended trains were fit onto an Arrow suspended coaster (Vampire at CWoA) and how Arrow trains work on Velkoma coasters, why can&#039;t the new Velkoma soft trains, you know, the ones that remove the headbanging from all reports, work on Arrow coasters?  sure they lack to classic style that the Arrow trains have (much like PTC trains on woodies and Millennium Flyers on GCI woodies), but they&#039;d also make the rides enjoyable again for ages to come,<br />
I could be wrong about how the parts work, I admit that I could be completely wrong, and I also admit that I don&#039;t know everything about Arrow loopers, but if you look at it that way, it doesn&#039;t make much sense, </p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed</title>
		<link>http://www.thecoastercritic.com/2012/11/rumor-cedar-fair-remove-arrow-looping-coasters.html/comment-page-2#comment-18767</link>
		<dc:creator>Rasheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know how in your neighborhood there use to be a store or a house or some structure that made it home? I&#039;ve been a native to Kings Island for the past 16 years of my life. The vortex is by far my favorite ride there. Plus it&#039;s a starter coaster for those riders who are trying to step up their thrill. The track layout can&#039;t even be matched by modern day layouts. The first drop, steep and fast. It&#039;s like the ride pulls you in.  6 inversions: 2 loops, 2 corkscrews, and a counter clockwise helix. Come on? That&#039;s a hype ride.  Yes it does beat the shit out of you a little bit, and leg space (except for the front seat) is limited. But there are more pro&#039;s then cons. Even if you hate it you gotta love the way it looks. These parks make billions. Repair and maintenance is a part of roller coaster life. I say redesign the damn thing. Make it a smoother more comfortable ride and it&#039;s still one of the top three rides in the park if not the best. It&#039;s irreplaceable. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know how in your neighborhood there use to be a store or a house or some structure that made it home? I&#039;ve been a native to Kings Island for the past 16 years of my life. The vortex is by far my favorite ride there. Plus it&#039;s a starter coaster for those riders who are trying to step up their thrill. The track layout can&#039;t even be matched by modern day layouts. The first drop, steep and fast. It&#039;s like the ride pulls you in.  6 inversions: 2 loops, 2 corkscrews, and a counter clockwise helix. Come on? That&#039;s a hype ride.  Yes it does beat the shit out of you a little bit, and leg space (except for the front seat) is limited. But there are more pro&#039;s then cons. Even if you hate it you gotta love the way it looks. These parks make billions. Repair and maintenance is a part of roller coaster life. I say redesign the damn thing. Make it a smoother more comfortable ride and it&#039;s still one of the top three rides in the park if not the best. It&#039;s irreplaceable. </p>
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		<title>By: Jo.E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo.E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I&#039;m only 5&#039;7&quot; but if I sit reasonably straight my head clears the restraints.  I find loopers with these restraints more enjoyable than say, standup coasters and the occasional rough floorless or inverted coaster, because on those, the restraints reach up past the ears, so the headbanging is more relevant and painful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m only 5&#8217;7&#8243; but if I sit reasonably straight my head clears the restraints.  I find loopers with these restraints more enjoyable than say, standup coasters and the occasional rough floorless or inverted coaster, because on those, the restraints reach up past the ears, so the headbanging is more relevant and painful.</p>
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		<title>By: @mattmcirvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>@mattmcirvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never rode them when I was shorter, but I do find that, at 5&#039;11&quot;, I have much less trouble with headbanging on loopers with horsecollar restraints than most other people do. I suspect that a tallish man is pretty much what these restraints are typically designed for, which shortchanges everybody else. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never rode them when I was shorter, but I do find that, at 5&#039;11&quot;, I have much less trouble with headbanging on loopers with horsecollar restraints than most other people do. I suspect that a tallish man is pretty much what these restraints are typically designed for, which shortchanges everybody else. </p>
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		<title>By: Jo.E</title>
		<link>http://www.thecoastercritic.com/2012/11/rumor-cedar-fair-remove-arrow-looping-coasters.html/comment-page-2#comment-17379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo.E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Before I reached 5 foot 5 inches or so I dreaded sit-down looping coasters, especially arrow, because of their roughness and head-banging.  However, as soon as my head cleared the shoulder restraints, I my experience became MUCH more enjoyable.  I still had to clench my neck so my head wasnt flung around, but since my head was above the restraints, my head wasn&#039;t banging constantly against the restraints.  Anyone else find this to be true? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I reached 5 foot 5 inches or so I dreaded sit-down looping coasters, especially arrow, because of their roughness and head-banging.  However, as soon as my head cleared the shoulder restraints, I my experience became MUCH more enjoyable.  I still had to clench my neck so my head wasnt flung around, but since my head was above the restraints, my head wasn&#039;t banging constantly against the restraints.  Anyone else find this to be true? </p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 03:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sadly, most Arrow loopers age badly, with very few exceptions. The Scream In Pain Machine at Great Adventure is missed by few. Both Anaconda and Vortex are on my list of Never Again&#039;s. Hopefully Nessie will survive for a few more decades. It&#039;s not only visually stunning but historically significant as well. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, most Arrow loopers age badly, with very few exceptions. The Scream In Pain Machine at Great Adventure is missed by few. Both Anaconda and Vortex are on my list of Never Again&#039;s. Hopefully Nessie will survive for a few more decades. It&#039;s not only visually stunning but historically significant as well. </p>
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